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solarbirdEveryone's all up in RAEG about this GOP asshole heckling Mr. Obama during the speech tonight. Everybody's talking about "decency" and "civility" and "respect."
You know what I wish? I wish one goddamn Democrat or one goddamn Republican had had the goddamn fortitude to call out Mr. Bush like this. Sure, this guy's probably acting in bad faith - the entire strategy of the GOP is to destroy the Obama presidency one way or another, economy and government be damned, so why the hell not? Or hey, maybe he's like most of the GOP at this point, and is sincere in his delusions. I don't care! It doesn't matter.
Because FUCK "decency." FUCK "civility." FUCK "respect." Political "decency" in the face of what anyone who understands math recognised as complete asshat bullshittery got us the Iraq war. Civility got us the surveillance state that Mr. Obama endorses. Respect got us the torture regime and the principle of the lawless Executive that Mr. Obama doing nothing substantive to unravel and quite a bit to protect.
Fuck that. It's long past time for people to call people out.
You know what I wish? I wish one goddamn Democrat or one goddamn Republican had had the goddamn fortitude to call out Mr. Bush like this. Sure, this guy's probably acting in bad faith - the entire strategy of the GOP is to destroy the Obama presidency one way or another, economy and government be damned, so why the hell not? Or hey, maybe he's like most of the GOP at this point, and is sincere in his delusions. I don't care! It doesn't matter.
Because FUCK "decency." FUCK "civility." FUCK "respect." Political "decency" in the face of what anyone who understands math recognised as complete asshat bullshittery got us the Iraq war. Civility got us the surveillance state that Mr. Obama endorses. Respect got us the torture regime and the principle of the lawless Executive that Mr. Obama doing nothing substantive to unravel and quite a bit to protect.
Fuck that. It's long past time for people to call people out.
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Date: 2009-09-10 05:27 am (UTC)My Da is going to the Tea Party in D.C. on Saturday. I intend to interview him when he gets back. (I may have to go buy a little recorder just for the occasion.) It will be interesting to get the words from somebody who has no reason to lie to me as to just exactly what happens.
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Date: 2009-09-10 06:12 am (UTC)For whatever we may think of the man, the position still deserves respect.
That a GOP Congressman heckled the President during a joint session says a lot of just where the GOP has fallen.
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Date: 2009-09-10 06:26 am (UTC)And I'm not talking about just Obama, or just Bush, or Clinton or Reagan. I'm talking all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt. Maybe all the way back to George Washington.
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Date: 2009-09-10 06:56 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-10 07:12 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-10 03:47 pm (UTC)What I CAN'T understand is that people in the political arena can't seem to find the middle ground between interrupting-screaming-raving-bonkers and spineless-civil-cowardice. Can't someone try strongly worded, articulate assertiveness?
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Date: 2009-09-10 03:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-10 05:23 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-10 06:11 pm (UTC)Because no one except for a nutcase actually listens to the people who have no self-control. Shouting invective is cathartic, but not productive.
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Date: 2009-09-10 07:10 am (UTC)No, it doesn't.
When the position of president is a presidency again - no longer 'unitary' and back under the rule of law - then I will hear this argument. But we don't have that, and the position as it actually is now - no, it does not deserve respect. Not in the slightest.
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Date: 2009-09-10 03:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-10 04:04 pm (UTC)No, it doesn't. It probably says more about your awareness of history than "where the GOP has fallen".
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Date: 2009-09-10 02:57 pm (UTC)On the other hand, people on our side, at least those in politics, seem not to have the stomach or the spine for even "civilized" and "decent" and "respectful" argument, so if it comes down to shouting matches, I fear we will get steamrolled even worse.
This is, of course, assuming that more than one or two senators and maybe 40-60 reps are actually on our side and that the reason "our side" doesn't argue is that our side is actually not our side, which is quite probably a wrong assumption.
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Date: 2009-09-10 03:09 pm (UTC)In the alternative, let me say,
Little sparklies rainbow sparklies
Rose up from every living thing
And all the sidewalks and from the air
And formed a rainbow sparkly spiral
That swirled into a thing
A rainbow sparkly question mark
Hanging way up in the sky
And all the people
Saw the question mark
And they all said "what does it mean?"
And all the people they decided
It means we're all doing just the right thing!
And the rainbow colored sparklies
All went completely dark
And the dark no longer sparklies
All
fell
down.
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Date: 2009-09-10 04:39 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-10 04:03 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-10 04:45 pm (UTC)Japan: Feb 3, 2009 (http://winniecooper.net/2009/02/japanese-parliment-fight/)
Alabama, 2007
Ukraine, November 2008
South Corea, December 2007
Mexico, December 2008
I could go on at some length... the key point being that Americans who have come to expect subdued discourse in politics have been deceived.
"Laws are like sausages. It's better not to see them being made." - Otto von Bismarck
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Date: 2009-09-11 08:45 am (UTC)Only by themselves. We've never had it. Have these same people forgotten the Democrats loudly booing when President Bush was on stage during Obama's inauguration? Have they forgotten the Democrats booing during President Bush's State of the Union address? Have they forgotten the Republican's booing during Pres. Clinton's State of the Union addresses? And I only go back that far because that's all I can personally remember.
History tells is that we've never had the "civility" that suddenly everyone is bemoaning the loss of.
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Date: 2009-09-11 07:40 pm (UTC)Agreed.
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Date: 2009-09-12 09:13 am (UTC)